Dr. Adam Wheeler from Big Tree Medical on TTBS Podcast

Whether we like it or not, he's the self-proclaimed governor of mid-Missouri, and he's the host of TTBS, the podcast. Since we can't shut him the hell up, here's Tom Bradley. Thank you, Nikki Garman, and welcome to the podcast. We've got a lot to get to this morning, live from Truman's Bar and Grill, where Truman, as a matter of fact, has more live music again this weekend. I have no idea. I don't know when they started this stuff and why it became a big deal to them. I love they're doing it. I love they're doing it. Well, actually, I think I might know. They had a party last year on like a Friday night, and I'm like, there's never been like a party at Truman's. Yeah. And they had live music here and people hanging out. It was a great time. So I guess tomorrow night, they got high mileage. I got high mileage. I'll tell you that for sure. I've got some. What are you seeing over there? It's black again. Why is it? Oh, it's just. Come over here. Here we go. That was me. All right. Perfect. That was all on me. And thank you for showing me. Absolutely. I appreciate that. It's like a high mileage tomorrow night, 7 p.m. at Truman's Bar and Grill. Today's guest on TTBS, the podcast, Dr. Adam Wheeler from Big Tree Medical. Cheyenne here at Truman said she asked who was going to be on, and I mentioned that. And I said, what's it about? And I said, well, he's going to be talking about the announcement this week by the federal government, specifically the president of the United States, about Tylenol, pregnant women and autism. And Dr. Wheeler put his own video out a couple of days ago on his Facebook page. And I said, but this is nothing new for us, as I am wearing the band's T-shirt this morning, as a matter of fact, from Big Tree Medical. I said, he's been on the show like, and I started thinking, like 40 times. And I was like, no, it was like over five years. It's got to be over 60 times he's been on the show. Excellent. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. We'll get to him in just a little bit. Ellis Bennis is the guy that you're listening to over here that's chiming in. And how are you this fine day? I'm doing fantastic. You know, I sent you a couple of links about today's show, but I've got to ask you, would you say that you stay abreast of today's news and like, no. No. Absolutely not. You're trying to keep on top of four kids. Yeah. And also, I'll be honest, I kind of cultivate a selective ignorance just of trying to maintain my upbeat demeanor and try to maintain my mental health. Some of that takes a little bit of cognitive distance and removing myself from the current affairs. You are a very smart person to do such things. And we are officially over six months since the Tom Bradley Show radio show ended daily, every single day, three hours. And I unplugged myself a lot. I'm kind of plugged back in, but not anywhere like I was. I mean, because you were like every morning reading everything that came out, right? Yeah. I put the mornings and the afternoons together. We're talking over three hours of pouring myself into that and drinking it all up, whatever was going on. And I do it well, and I live with it, but it's great to unplug from it too. I bet. That's good. We'll get into that. So, Ellis Bennett is here from floatingaxe.com. And Family Focus Eye Care at famfocuseye.com is going to be taking care of us with keeping your eye on the craft at the end of the show today. And there's a lot to get to. And this, by the way, has to do with a meeting that took place this week on my birthday on Monday. And it took place with some real bigwigs in town talking about crime and the homeless population in Columbia. And if you think I'm done talking about the homeless issues we have, you are wrong. Good. People are like, I'm never going to watch and listen to this damn thing again. He's always talking about this crap. Well, yes, I am. And you have to keep your eye on the crap. So that'll be going on at the end of the show. And I think you're going to want to hear this. I do mean that all the way through. Which brings us to time at this point to, as I understand it, to release the howls. It's our big announcement this morning brought to you by Creekside Pet Center, Creekside's Pet and Biscuit, and Dirty Harry's in Booneville. And thank you, Creekside Pet Center and everything you guys do. Which by the way, I know this almost ties in. The big announcement was going to be that Daisy Jane was damn near, well, we'll keep it polite, molested by a dog at the dog park this week. Now she's passed that heat cycle that she was in. That's good. Which we have covered a lot on this show. I know. We've talked a lot about this. Well, I've got to tell you, this has been, you know, we raised two daughters. And sons don't go through the same sort of thing. We raised two daughters. I don't think I had as much intrepidation as I've had with my young, female, wonderful Daisy Jane. And I'm like, and Bruno, or Butch, whatever the hell his name, Bobby, Bitty, I don't remember what his name was, Buddy. He was all about her. And I was like, dude, back off. And I want to tell you things. Anyway, that's not the big announcement this morning. And it's also, the big announcement is not that there was a mudslide at Lake of the Ozarks. Thank you to lakeexpo.com, which took a parking lot of an apartment complex into the lake and almost took in two parked cars. Oh my gosh. It was all crumbling below them. So nobody injured? No houses destroyed? It was just a parking lot? No. But it looks like living hell. Oh man. So that's not where you're supposed to put that parking lot. That's not the big announcement this morning either. Here's the big announcement. Is that this weekend, at the Mizzou Homecoming Parade, by the way, we're taking on UMass, not to be confused with, well my buddy Shags over at KCMQ, he doesn't call it UMass, he calls it U-M-Ass. That's legit. That is. Shags, you funny man. You're a very funny man. That's good. U-M-Ass. Anyway, if you've been keeping up on this at all, there's a group of folks at Mizzou that call themselves the Mizzou Students for Justice for Palestine. I don't understand it. There's a lot that I don't understand about it. They wanted to be in the Homecoming Parade in 2024, and President-Chancellor at the university system, Moon Choi, said, uh-uh, we're not going to have that going on for several reasons. And they were like, oh, well 2025, they applied again, and he said no, it's not going to happen. They filed suit. It went to federal court last week. The court ruled and said the MSJP gets to be in Homecoming Parade this Saturday. I reached out to MSJP and I said, how would you like to come on and talk about this in a podcast? And I did so through social media, and they got back to me in an hour and said, hey, hit us on this email. So I did. They never responded. Now, if what they want to do is promote themselves, and they want to do so in the parade, which is weird, because that's not about Mizzou, and it's not about good times and community and anything else. You're talking about what's going on in the Middle East and our federal government's view on that, and now you don't even come on to hear. In fact, their Facebook page, which they have one, they haven't posted on there since 2023. They do stay more up to date with their Instagram, and I recognize the fact that college students are probably 20 times more likely to go to Instagram than Facebook, but they have a Facebook page, and the majority of people that go to the Homecoming, the majority that go to the Homecoming Parade are families with children, local townies as you might call them, and not students who are still sleeping in off the morning after a Friday of Homecoming weekend when they went to Halstead. So I'm not sure why they never reached back to me, because you guys wanted the exposure. I don't exactly know if they're going to have a float, or I don't know what it's going to be like for them to be out there. Do you think they'll throw candy to the kids? I hope it's candy. What candy would you like it to be? Palestinian candy? I think I put a bad taste in everybody's mouth. Did you just do that? Well, I've had African candies and all kinds of stuff like that. They're not as sugary as ours, so they don't have the same flavors. Wow. I can't believe you went and said that. That just seems wrong, is what it seems like. Let me understand this right. Palestinian candy will put a bad taste in your mouth? I've had a lot of foreign candies from… What the hell are you giving me here on Halloween? What is this, foreign candy over here? This tastes like crap. What is this, Palestinian? Do you want some more? Well, I don't want Hamas, I'll tell you that. Okay, it is time to bring in our guest this morning. We say hello to a good friend, Dr. Adam Wheeler, BigTreeMedical.com. Dr. Adam Wheeler, good morning, sir. Good morning. Do you see my shirt I'm wearing for you today? I like it. Thank you. I like it. And do you think it's wrong to wear the BigTree Medical shirt when I invite Dr. Wheeler on here? No. Okay. We've talked the whole time. We want to promote his business. I'm a BigTree person, so 100%. You are also? Absolutely. Me and my wife, yeah. If I knew that, I didn't remember it. Oh, I love him. Good for you. Dr. Wheeler, we talk about it all the time. As we get into it, I'll just mention, at least once a week, someone will bring up something about health care, and they'll be like, BigTreeMedical.com, go there and try to figure it out, because that's what you need. And if they want more information, I'll give it to them. But the reality is, you are a doctor who is outspoken, and when President Trump had a press conference this past Monday, and I knew that was going to be coming up, because he spoke over the weekend, and he said we got some big stuff coming out on Monday. Did you see that he had made an announcement this was going to be, something was coming out on Monday? Did you know beforehand? Yeah. I mean, I was watching the Charlie Kirk Memorial, where he mentioned it during his speech. So I did a little bit of homework, and it was kind of floating around on Twitter what he was going to come out with. I know you don't try to get into the politics of it all, so I'll do it for us. I was weirded out, and I certainly appreciate him being at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, and we did see some big chunks of that, and there were some things said there that I was moved by, very emotional, and I'm glad President Trump spoke there. I was weirded out that he brought up this thing on Monday, during that memorial. Be that as it may, I knew that was coming up, and here came the press conference on Monday, and he brings up something that I had read about over the weekend, which is a tie between autistic children and their moms, who when the kids were in utero, the moms took Tylenol. Had you already heard some things about this before? This has been floating around for a long time, and there's a thousand things like this that are floating around all the time, an association between this and that, and it's interesting, and you create hypotheses out of things like this, and then you study them in depth to see if there's a link. I'm not quite sure why he jumped on this particular cause, because the announcement was he was going to announce what the cause of autism is, and how it's treated, which I think kind of overplayed the hand that he had. Autism right now, medically speaking, is treated, how? Yes, I mean, I also, so I obviously work at Big Tree Medical, I also work at the Hero Clinic, which is an autism center, right? So it's an independent autism, it's a neurodevelopmental clinic, so we take care of kids with autism, we diagnose autism, we also help behavioral issues of all kinds, so I'm like, I'm in this world, and you know, right now autism is predominantly treated with therapies, right? So children that have autism, adults with autism, their brain just works differently, right? They understand and experience the world differently than people that have a, you know, more typically shaped brain. And so they struggle to interact with the world in a typical way, and so to the degrees that parents or individuals want to interact with the world in a typical way, we basically train them on how to, you know, fake it, right? So they often have trouble with eye contact, for example, and so eye contact is something that people that have a, you know, typical shaped brain, just pick up as a matter of course, right? Like learning to walk, right? But somebody with autism, we have to coach them through that, right? Let's, hey, be sure you look at somebody in the eye when you're talking to them, but not too much, right? That gets weird. That's difficult. And so it's just- It's difficult for any of us to have to go through the coaching, it's like, you're doing a pretty good job, but you need to move away from looking at them so often. Like, well, how often? Well, like once every 30 seconds will be fine, and in the middle of talking, but then you want to move away from that eye contact. Well, can you give me hand signals when I'm looking too much? Right, and so this is, you know, you know, there are things that I have to learn, right? I just didn't come out of the womb being able to be a doctor, let's say. I had to spend a lot of time at school learning to say the right things and talk the right way, right, which is part of the underlying issue and all this stuff. And kids with autism have to have to be coached to do things in a more quote-unquote normal way, right? And everything you're talking about right now, this is coaching, this is training, this is teaching. So are there any medical treatments, you know, is there medicine, is there anything like that for autism? Yeah, so I mean, children with autism, you know, oftentimes experience a lot of anxiety because the world is like clashing with their brain, right? The rules that a child with autism has are just different than another child, so they have a lot of anxiety associated with that, so we might use an anxiety medication, right? Like a Prozac or Zoloft or something like that. So both these things, I mean, back to the question, which was how do we treat autistic children or someone with autism? What you're talking about is how do we try to help them, but we're not doing anything that causes autism to, I don't know, reduce or subside or there's no cure either for autism. When we say treatment, we're talking about how to help them cope and probably we need to treat the rest of us to help us understand how to help them cope with us and us cope with them, right? Yeah, and I think, you know, obviously you can see where this is going in some people's minds where they're like, why do we need to fix them, right? Like this is the way their brain works. We should be able to accommodate that, and I think that's a big, I think that's a very valid point, and so there's been some backlash over the recent years, some of the recent years about some of the really aggressive tactics we've used in the past to fix people with autism. Yeah, chaining them up like a dog, which is probably, you know, back in 1900 is probably a lot of what they would do with someone, like we can't figure this one out, and so we'll do this. And by the way, I don't want to move past and miss the chance to mention, I do get to talk to a professional on a regular basis about autistic children, and that would be our daughter, Jessica Melrose, Jessie Marie, who works with kids that are, you know, anywhere on this, they refer to as a spectrum, and I ask her questions about it, you know, I'm illegitimate, like, hey man, I was wondering, and she'll share some things with me, but I don't pretend to be someone that has a child with autism, I didn't have a brother or sisters, I really, I've never experienced it much around me, very much, you being a pediatrician and working with the center, you have experience working with a lot of kids with autism. Yeah, I mean, it's something I'm doing on a daily basis, and autism is prevalent enough now that general pediatricians are seeing it in their practice on a daily basis. And you said prevalent now, so does that mean we're seeing a lot more autism showing up in our country, in the world? So that's, so the answer to this question is very complicated. So as is often true, we often change the definition of certain diseases, right, because we think a new definition is important for some particular reason. So over the last 30 or 40 years, we've changed the definition of autism a couple times to include a broader swath of children, right, so it's unquestionable that the number of children that have an autism diagnosis today is much higher than it was 50 years ago. Some big percentage of that is because we changed what autism is. We talked about this many times before on the show, and I talked about it with Cheyenne when I walked in this morning, which is, are we, is it more prevalent, or did we change the definition and the amount of testing? But when you say doctors are seeing it, are we talking about someone who goes, doctor, this is an autistic child, or the doctor goes, well, it looks like we have a child with autism, because it's obvious. Which one are we? So it's all three. All of them. Right? So we changed the definition, so more kids got included. We are more recognizing it better, both as doctors and as families, right, families bringing things to our attention. And when we, when they've studied this really carefully, and we've tried to correct the prevalence studies for those two factors, we actually think there probably is an increase in the number of children with autism, too. And that leaves us saying, why? Why? What's going on with this thing? That's the obvious question. I don't, when they came out on Monday and made the announcement that there may be a tie, or that there is a tie, however it came out, between autistic children and their moms taking Tylenol when the mother was pregnant, I can't say there's no way that's not connected. I can't say that must be it. I don't have any idea. What do you think? Yeah, so I think this, you know, it reminds me of the old famous study where they showed that there is a connection between eating ice cream and violent crime. Right? I've been eating a lot of ice cream lately. I'm going to sit a little further away. You know, this is famous. It's a famous example, and there is, right? So the more ice cream that's sold, the more violent crime that happens. Well, that's probably because ice cream is sold more in the summer, and violent criminals don't like to be doing crime in the cold. Nope. 20 in snowfall, temperatures falling down to zero, crime also falls. But in the heat of summer, people, we do, hot weather kind of pisses us off, and we can start getting violent. It's true. Days are longer, you know. So that's… Actually, if you would just eat more ice cream in the summertime, you probably wouldn't be prone to so much violence. I have never downed, I've never downed some rocky road and then was just violently angry, right? No, no, no. Usually… I'm pretty happy and kind of comatose. Yeah. This would be for a whole other podcast, and we're going to try it out. In a sauna… We're just going to eat ice cream. We're going to go to a pool and spa, we're going to stand in a sauna, and then we're… Yeah, okay, okay. Sorry, sorry to derail everything. That's the famous example of association does not lead to causation. Yes. I just introduced my kids to that concept last night. We were talking about this. We heard something when we were at church, and I was like, okay, guys, correlation does not equal causation. And so they were like, what the heck does that mean? So we had to drill that down. Yeah. Well, there's some people that seems they don't understand that. Well, you know, my 11-year-old was, you know, I was messing with Facebook because I was getting all these comments after my video and, you know, from trolls and various people out there. And so I was really working on that. She's like, what are you working on? And so I explained this idea, and I used that the ice cream crime analogy, and she's 11. And she's like, oh, that makes complete sense, right? But we miss it a lot, right? And so there is a correlation between mom using Tylenol during pregnancy as measured by a variety of factors, including drawing blood out of the umbilical cord and testing it for Tylenol, right? And then the subsequent chance that the child will get ADD or autism. And the best study looked at it that way, not autism purely, as the press conference seemed to allude to, it looked at both outcomes. Interesting, right? Could it cause autism? Well, that is one explanation of the correlation, but there's a thousand other explanations. For example, we know that maternal infections of various kinds also increase the risk of autism. What do you do when you get an infection? You take Tylenol. So maybe the infection is the common source, not the Tylenol. Maybe it's just that, I don't know, people who are richer take more Tylenol, and there is an association between, you know, wealth and autism. Wealth. When we look at autism and trying to find out why is it out there at all, and why does it seem like it's becoming more prevalent, how do we wind up looking at Tylenol? Hey, John, what is it, Fred? I was thinking, do they start talking like that, and they go, let's start a study, and these are probably scientists, and they go, I just think there's a correlation between these two that maybe could be a causation, right? Yeah, so the way these things start is people do these broad-based studies, right, where they ask a bajillion questions, they test for a bajillion things, and then they look at incidents of autism, and then they run the math and say, okay, what things seem to be connected here? Children is connected to autism, older age of mother or father connected to autism. Global warming could be connected to it, if we're truly getting warmer as a planet, right? Right, so there's a lot of things, and so then from there, you create hypotheses, right, and you do experiments, right? And now by that time, you've got government funding, or you've got the backing of some kind of pharmaceutical firm, or some big, giant nonprofit. That's what I wanted to know. I was like, this could either be, I wanted to know who funded this stuff. Do you know that off the top of your head, who funded this study? Because a lot of these were NIH, National Institutes of Health studies. So there's no way it was either Tylenol trying to boost its views in the news, or Tylenol's competitor trying to take them down? Like, there's no way it was anything like that? Well, there's all sorts of things floating around on Twitter right now about hypotheses about that, but there are a number of studies from a number of different countries, from a number of different institutions in the United States as well, that have shown some small association. And what we're talking about here is like a 12% increased chance of your child getting autism. Okay, so first we've got to tell them, what is the chance of my child having autism to begin with? And you're saying it could be a 12% increase on that? Right. So, you know, let's say that chance is 1% that your child will get autism. Okay, I think it's not that. It's a bit higher. But if it was, then the actual chance would become 1.12. Right. And you've got to know math a little bit to understand what I just said. I got scared when you started going, I was like, oh, I'm going to have to do math. But the 12% people will hear that and go, wow, I went from 0 to 12 just like that. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, that wasn't the case. And by the way, if it's a little higher, you're saying it's higher than 1% but lower than 2%? Is that approximately right? Yeah. I'm not going to quote you. I'm just trying to get an idea. Which would put it at about one child out of every 100. Is that what we're looking at right now? I think they're saying it's around one in 30. One in 30. Right. So it might be 3%. So it goes from 3 to 3.36% is the change that happens there. I don't want it to go up. We have, I would imagine, Jess and Marie and Clayton are going to wind up having more kids. They've got a one-year-old. And it's on my mind. Which is interesting that I think, and this is true for most of us, autism and autistic children and what's going on and why, that is really on my mind. We're not in the childbearing years. And we're this close to being completely out of it as a family, at least for the next, I don't know, how many years. It's not an immediate thing. Most of us in the United States are not making babies right now, but we all listened to the news that came out on Monday and we're all taking it very seriously, aren't we? Absolutely. And I mean, so again, the Tylenol thing is a great first step, right? So maybe it isn't Tylenol. Maybe it's viruses in general. Maybe it's a particular virus. But it's a lead, right? We tracked down that lead. I don't think that goes to the point of a national press conference with the head of Health and Human Services and the President of the United States announcing that Tylenol causes autism, right? So I'm actually a Republican. I'm fairly conservative politically. So I'm on the team, right? And I just thought it was sloppy. Yeah, I agree. Like, he doesn't need to be talking about that. Focus on other stuff. Well, then, you know, then he goes straight, I mean, again, seemed like Trump went off script at that point in time and headed towards vaccines, right? And you know, started talking about how I definitely wouldn't allow my baby to get multiple vaccines in the same visit. That's definitively been shown to not be associated with autism, right? And he started talking about we're getting aluminum out of the vaccines, which, sure, I would love to have a vaccine with nothing in it, except they don't work. And he was like, we should definitely split up the MMR vaccine. That isn't available. Mumps? What is it? Measles, mumps, and rubella. And so it just, it came across as sloppy to me, right? For the President of the United States to suggest to families, and this is technically practicing medicine without a license, right? He's making medical recommendations to families, and I don't know that the President has a medical license. And so that's just, again, it's sloppy. You know, look, I gotta tell you, you are really an effective communicator. You're diplomatic. When you put the video on earlier this week, the reason I wanted to bring you on here was selfish. We wanted to have something that we really want to get into, but also because I think people want to know about this thing, and I want to broaden that audience that you're talking to out there in the way you're talking. This is not, though, about politics. When you spoke on it and the way that you focus on it, it's about medicine, and you said you would like to see some of the reports that they're talking about, some of the findings, the research. When will you see that? Well, they've promised next week, so probably about six weeks ago, Kennedy was on the Tucker Carlson show and leaked, I guess, or announced that the CDC has been hiding data that showed a 1,000% increase in the incidence of autism associated with the birth hepatitis B vaccine. And the data would be forthcoming. Go back to that vaccine for a second. The what? The hepatitis B vaccine. Are we all given that? Now we are. When you were a kid, back in the Stone Age, I think we're close to the same age, so that's me and you. I won't make any cracks, then. No, we're not to the same age. You're a child, all right? So I did not receive the hepatitis B vaccine as a child. Do you know when that was started as the standard? I think it was sometime in the 90s. So hey, I might have missed that one, too. But that's close enough, at least, as something, right? So again, so the hypothesis was maybe it's the vaccines. So a lot of studies were done and showed that there was no association, right? So they took people that had countries that do different vaccine schedules. Do they have a different incidence of autism? No. They looked at children who didn't get vaccines, right, because there's a number of people in the population that don't. That's not a perfect study, because those people are different in other ways, too, right? But there was no change in the incidence of autism. And so, but if the CDC is hiding data, right, which is what he said, I mean, he's in charge of the freaking CDC, right? He would know. So now what am I supposed to do as a person who's going to walk into my clinic here in a couple hours and start recommending vaccines to people for him to say, we've got the data, we're going to publish it in September, okay? So September is here, and they said that they're going to release it maybe next week. So again, if there's data being obscured, well, that changes everything. You know, I was seeing the report on CNN or NBC, and they were talking to a doctor very much like yourself, right, and they said, our people, has this caused people to change their feelings? This Monday, has it caused people to change their feelings about autism, Tylenol, whatever? And the doctor was like, absolutely, 100%. Have you had people already coming in to you this week? This is Thursday morning. This thing happened Monday. You've only had two days of work. Wait a second, Tuesday used to be Dr. Golf Day at Algonquin when I was caddying. So I don't know if you were, you've only had a limited amount of time in the office since the announcement. Have you had people come in and ask you about this? Oh yeah, for sure. And you know, we, so there's so much complexity here. Okay, and this is going to, this is going to light your fire, so I got to get you into this. Well, okay. Here we go. Alice, you ready? I'm ready to go. So most pediatricians in this community, with the exception of Big Tree, will not allow you to be members of their practice if you do not vaccinate, okay? So they actively select against that. So average pediatrician in Columbia, let's say 90% of the people outside of this room, if you don't vaccinate on the CDC schedule, kick you out. Really? Okay. Now I'm a bit of a libertarian on this issue and say, Hey, it's like it's your kid, right? So I want to talk to you about this. I believe in the vaccines as scheduled by the CDC. I gave it to my children. I think it's logical. I don't think it's perfect. And so if you have a kid and you want to do something different, I'm on your team, number one. So I'm not kicking you out, right? So why do they do that? Well, previously at previous practice that I work at, we had contracts with insurance companies that paid us better if the percentage of children that are fully vaccinated is over a certain threshold, okay? And your practice, the percentage that are your clients, your patients, if the percentage is higher, you make more money, right? How in the world does that correlate? How does one feed the, that doesn't. So the insurance company several years ago said, we want to pay for value, not visits, right? So, cause I can run up the score, right? So if I shoot your nose ran for a day, you should come in, right? You're, you have an itch. You should come in. Cause I get paid when people come into the office. Well, traditionally, traditional, not a big tree, medical, not a big tree, big tree. We're just a monthly membership. We take care of you. So we would run up the score, right? So we had a policy. We won't call in medicine for pink eye, right? You know, it's pink guy. I know it's pink guy. I'm not calling you in drops till you come into my office. Cause that's how I get paid, right? So insurance companies said, well, we don't like that. So we want you to just do a good job. And if you save us money, then we will pay you extra money, cut you in. Okay. Well, the easy way to do that is to just never let you come in, right? There's no winning here. Well, that's the whole point. People are dying and I'm gaming and this is why I left that and started big tree, right? So they said, okay, well then let's put some quality metrics in place. Okay. So you're have to get your vaccine rates to a certain level. Otherwise you don't get the bonus check. Okay. Now I'm kicking everybody out of my practice that doesn't want to vaccinate, right? So these are all games, right? And the bet, if you're good at playing the games, you make more money. This is health care. So big tree doesn't have any of those contracts, right? And so we're like, if you don't want to vaccinate, like we're going to talk about it. I want to have an open conversation about it. I want you to understand the risks that you're potentially putting your child in, but like I'm on your team. And so, and so about half my patients don't vaccinate. Oh, it's that high. Now I'm, I'm different, right? Because I'm like the only place they can go. But I don't, don't require it. And so about half my patients. You know, big tree is like hanging a shingle out that says, come on, come on, come on. If you don't want to vaccinate, we're your friends. Yeah. And we're just, it's hard to answer that question. No, but I mean, I mean, really, that's why you actually have more. That's not the normal population. It's not 50% of Columbia population, right? Right. It is much higher than it used to be. I've not seen any statistics for Boone County, but it's much higher than it used to be. And my population is obviously quite biased for a number of reasons. But one of those is that I allow them to be in the practice. The deal on Monday, bringing a vaccinations is odd in that if there is truly an effect that pregnancy with Tylenol can cause autism, that's a big, big, big deal. And we don't need to muddy the waters with talking about also falling in your bathtub is difficult. And we need to start talking about protecting people there. You're muddying up there. This is a big deal on its own. That's why we all noticed it. That's why we're talking more about than we are the vaccines. But why did you also bring up vaccines on that that evening? We didn't need that in the way I want to find out, too. There was someone on earlier this week on another news program who was speaking. I was in the other room and I was hearing her and her cadence was different. Her voice, the way that she was approaching the questions and answers was different. And I noticed that because I'm a kid of audio, you know, I'm really into the spoken word as well. And it wasn't until deep into it when she mentioned she is autistic. So here's an adult who's speaking on it, and that's one of the reasons they have her on. And she's also a spokesperson and or executive with some level of a large nonprofit. And she said there we're not working toward a cure on autism. And I think what she meant is that there is no cure for autism. But I don't know if Trump mentioned the word cure. Yeah. So this the ever about the press is really focused on the Tylenol question because for obvious reasons, a lot of people take Tylenol. I think the bigger news was he also announced that there is a treatment that they are changing the FDA's stance on that it has shown some effect in treating autism. Okay, so there's a big chunk. I think it's a big story. And I'm, you know, I'm somebody in the space. I had heard of Leucovorin before. We say that one more time. So we make sure we get it right. Yeah. Leucovorin. Leucovorin. But I and I'd read a little bit about it, but nobody in the autism world was talking about it. And so I kind of said, well, I'm not I'm not like a leader in the autism universe, right? So I'm going to follow the leads of people who are doing this all the time. And nobody's prescribing this. So I just kind of backed away from it. They highlighted Leucovorin and there's about five studies out there, small studies that show that when you give it to children with autism, that about half the kids show significant improvements in their autistic features. And a few percentage of the kids showed dramatic improvements by going from I can't speak at all to I can speak fairly normally. No way. A few percent of kids get dramatic improvement, but a bunch of kids get improvement. And do you know what it was like originally created for? Was it created to target autism or is this a side effect of like we were trying to create like like with vermictin, which is something that reason on the farm or tranquilizer also helps with COVID. Right. Yeah. What was this with Leucovorin? Yeah. So Leucovorin is actually a chemotherapy rescue agent. OK, so chemotherapies are poisons, right? Because cancer is growing cells and so we want to poison the fast growing cells. Right. So Leucovorin is then administered alongside the chemo to protect some of the good cells. Right. So it's a folic acid derivative. It's a folic acid vitamin B9. It's a regular vitamin. It's in all your multivitamins. It's even put in cereal now. So Leucovorin is a derivative of that. So it's modified and it gets into the brain better than folic acid. And the leading hypothesis is that your body, some people's bodies make autoantibodies. So like an autoimmune disease like lupus, your body is using antibodies to attack your immune system. Right. So in some people, 75% of children with autism, they have an autoantibody against the receptor that allows folic acid to move into the brain from the blood and the folinic acid, which is the chemical name for Leucovorin, bypasses that mechanism and gets into the brain without going through that pathway. And so that sounds actually like it makes sense. Like there's both chemistry, medicine, you know, and trials and studies and everything going on. And it has some, so far it appears to be some good news. Yeah. So it gets, of course, it's always complicated. So the guy that found this patented the test for this autoantibody and has really pushed selling the test. So I can't order the test as a doctor unless I go through his website. And so he's published several studies, one of them in journal nature, which is like one of the top five journals in the world. Okay. 2012 nature study showed that he gave it to about 50 kids with autism and then a placebo to 50 kids and showed dramatic improvements in the children with autism. So super interesting. A bunch of studies, not a bunch, a handful of studies have been done, similar size, three to six month studies, 40 to 50 kids, but all showing significant improvements. Okay. Do I wish there was a 10,000 person study and 15 different countries that lasted for 25 years? Yes. Right. But we do a lot of things in medicine with small studies, especially when you're talking about a vitamin derivative that has basically no side effects. Now because it was a chemotherapy rescue agent for years now, it's also generic. Okay. So nobody's pushing this at this stage in the game. So a lot of the, because pharmacies don't stand a chance to make a billion dollars. Well, the pharmacies don't make money, money on anything. So community pharmacies can't patent this. So they're like, why do we want to bother with that? So they're not, they're not funding the ginormous studies, right? And so when you're on the ground in the trenches like I am with families who are trying to figure out how to help their children, then sometimes we're forced to use the small studies that we see out of academia. Well, I can certainly understand why a family would say, Hey man, I heard about this stuff and I know, and I've read everything I can about it online and the things that I can possibly understand. I want some of this because if they have a child who's two, seven, 12, who's never been able to really communicate very well at all. I mean, they're like, give me this stuff now. If there's decent data, right? It's not great data, but it's decent. There's decent data that it can help a number of kids and it has basically no side effects and it's not a bajillion dollars. A lot of families are going to want to try it. Yeah. Now, of course, most of academic medicine is Democrat. So most of academic medicine is now refusing to prescribe this. Go back to that. What do you mean? Most academic medicine is Democrat. So most of my, most of the medical societies, right? Most of my friends who are in academic medicine, many of them tend to lean Democrat. So do you think they would refuse to prescribe this just because Trump talked about it? That's certainly what we're seeing. Now what they're saying is, well, there aren't enough studies, right? But I'm just saying there are a thousand things that there aren't enough studies on. They prescribe on a daily basis. Well, and this isn't a brand new thing. You just said it's been used. Do you know how long has it been used in chemotherapy treatments or not treatments, but 20 plus years. Yeah. So a long time. And I don't want to put you on the spot. But I'm just curious with the hero clinic. Do you think that you might actually start trying to prescribe this or use this new? Yeah. So I started it yesterday on a child. So both at hero clinic where we're doing autism all day long. Right. And then I do also have in my primary care practice, I have some children with autism. And so we sent out some stuff on, on social and said, Hey, we're willing to prescribe this. And it is to me, it's so much hope right there that there's this child who is taking this and something good could happen. I'm like, Oh my God, I can't even imagine what the family is going through right now. Still, we don't, we don't know if it'll do much at all, but it's, it's very helpful. But I want to point something out. It's interesting. And help me move through this thing that we have a couple different things that were brought up. All right. We have a president of the United States and a couple of his, his right-hand people, specifically involving medicine that, did I see Dr. Oz was there by the way, Dr. Oz, how do you like his new hair, man? He was looking really stylish. He had, he had like cold black hair forever and all of a sudden now he's got this like silver Fox thing going on. I think he might've gone blonde first and then he's, anyway, if I can motion mentioned that there might be a bias that all three of these tables for preferring the silver Fox look, if I'm looking well, I am getting to that age anyway, but, but there were a couple of things brought up and on this particular medicine, we, the three of us are really thinking hopeful and wow. And then the other, it doesn't sound like we're accepting that it's factual. And so I just want to make sure that there's a couple of things that are mentioned here. One, it's not about the bearer of the news. I was excited that there was going to be something coming up and the president of the United States was going to deliver it on Monday. And I was like, I'm really interested to find out what that is. And I think some people be like, whatever he says is going to be truthful. And some people like whatever he says is going to be crap. And I'm like, I don't believe either one. I'm waiting to find out what it is. And so that apparently there were a couple of things that came out and at least several. And I mean, if you include the, the idea of any vaccinations in there, the vaccines. So there's several things. Am I just picking and choosing which things I want to believe that was delivered that am I wrong? Help me out here. I think that's what you have to do it. Right? I mean, cause all right, we're in the United States, right? We make political all things, right? It's what we do because we're a voting society, right? So everything comes into play. That's great. But at the end, this is about a doctor sitting down with a mom who's pregnant, who's having headaches and trying to figure out the safest approach. Okay. Which may still be Tylenol, right? It's always a risk benefit calculation in everything we do. So there are times where I think Tylenol is still the right choice for a pregnant mom, right? Do I think pregnant mothers should just be popping Tylenol for fun all the time? No, I think it would give me pause. Do I think Tylenol is the cause? I don't. Right. But is the risk zero? It's not zero. So you have to have some good reason to do it. Right? Similarly with the lucavorin, like we need to evaluate. Now what I appreciate about the politicians is they use their platform to bring to light some things that had been obscured, right? And I wouldn't, I am an example of someone who had read the lucavorin stuff, wasn't sure what to do with it. Set it aside. This press conference caused me to reevaluate the data and change my mind, right? Not because I'm a Republican, okay, but because, okay, this makes, this makes sense to me. Now I made some phone calls, I called some friends who are high up in the autism world and said, what am I missing here guys? Is there some study that came out after these first few lucavorin studies that show that it didn't do anything? Did, by the way, did they feel that they were receiving a lot of phone calls and emails and texts from colleagues? Yep. So that everybody was doing the same thing that I was doing. And one of my friends who's, you know, a fairly well-known, respected person in the autism world was like, I don't know why we're not prescribing a lot of lucavorin, but it is clearly not what you're supposed to do, but I can't figure out why. And there's political biases within all of these circles, and I'm not saying Republican biases, Democrat biases, biases against certain individuals against certain. And so it's messy, right? So, but I appreciate the politicians using their platform to say, why are we not doing this? Let's look into this deeper. Let's fund some better research. I appreciate that. You know, another thing that needs to be mentioned is that when we see a rise in diagnosis and or the kids that have autism diagnosis of, it gives us pause to go, what's going on here? It may not be one thing. It may not have ever been one thing. And so talking about lucavorin is a whole different question that, okay, this person has autism. They've been diagnosed with it. This drug might help them. That's one thing that's hopeful. The other, autism can be caused by a pregnant woman taking Tylenol. It could, we don't know that it didn't happen that way with one person or a thousand people or 1 million or whatever the number is. But it could be one of the factors that helps to cause it occasionally. And there could be other things. And we don't know. And sometimes it could be a combination of all those things coming together. Right. Diseases like autism where, is that an okay term? Would anybody get offended by you saying the disease of autism? Certainly. Cause it's 2025 and people are getting, well, as a matter of fact, that was the woman who had autism who was being interviewed on the news channel. I think it was CNN said, it's not a disease that you cure. And I'm like, okay, I don't, I don't, what is the word? I don't see a good question. I'm curious. Well, and so it's like, you know, it's like me saying the disease of red hair. Well that we understand. Right. I mean, gingers, come on. This poor person with red hair. Just a small reminder. I'm married to a redhead. She's not. I, I love redheads. Right. But you know, it's not like we're saying, okay, what medicine could I give you to fix your red hair? Right. Right. So we've said that's not a disease. Right. Right. It's just a genetic trait. It just is a thing. But other genetic traits we call diseases. Right. Right. So, um, I think whether somebody wants to think of their autism or their child's autism as a thing to be managed or a like red hair, it's just a trait that's part of who they are. Should be up to them. Right. That's their choice. As of right now, if science found out more, it could take us down a different path and be like, Hey dude, this is blank. It is this thing. Well, but what if we found a genetic mutation that causes red hair? And we said, well, it's just to raise those people. Jenny, if you're listening, I love you. I promise I won't erase you. Don't get us started on this. What will the world be like? So we've just, again, again, I love, I love me a redhead, but it's just, that's a choice we've made. Right. I mean, so I actually taught autistic students through Encircle Technologies, which is awesome group. So we had some students that were completely nonverbal and we had some students that you would never even know they were autistic. And so I would think one of the most emotional connections here is with the nonverbal students that can't speak at all getting, because you said there were students that were completely nonverbal that through lucavore and they were actually able to then start communicating. I mean, that's, that's such a blessing. And I, again, I come from my wife, both of her parents were deaf and my mother-in-law is very adamant that she's not disabled. She's otherwise enabled. So there are those people that have those, but I think, uh, deafness is another great example of a trait that many people in deaf community say, this is not a disability, right? We shouldn't fix this. With four screaming children, I see it as a super power. Yeah. And it is another thing also that can have multiple reasons and causes to why it exists at all in anyone. So I think, you know, I get, and I think this should be an individual decision, right? So as a, if a person has autism, if they decide, I don't want to be more neurotypical. Okay. Like I, I hope we live in an open enough society that we can embrace that. Well, and I mean, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a, I'll say a branch of or whatever autism, which was actually seen as almost a resume builder for programmers. I'm blanking on the name now. Well, Asperger's. Asperger's. It was almost seen as like a, as like a superpower that if you had Asperger's, if you could put that on your resume almost to become a programmer and Silicon Valley is full of guys. Well, didn't we say Elon Musk is, is on, does he, I think there's all sorts of hypotheses out there about various people. Bill Gates is another one. Asperger's is officially not a diagnosis anymore. Right. Right. Got absorbed into autism. Right. Right. But you know, people with autism, you know, we call the hero clinic, for example, the hero clinic, because we think a lot of these children who have challenges, it is actually their superpower. Right. That is just not, does not been discovered. Right. Right. Children with ADD have the ability to hyper focus on certain things. People with autism have often have some thing that they get really into and they become like they have a superpower in that particular area. Right. Right. And so is that something to take away? I think that's kind of horrible, right? So yeah, this gets in a lot of complexity, but ultimately it's the parent or the person who should get to decide. So if, if you have a nonverbal child that has autism, I think it should be your choice whether or not you get to use lucavorin with consultation with your physician as a way to help change that child's behaviors. Do you think most people that have a child close to them, whether it's their own or whatever, do you think that they already knew about lucavorin or did they, some of them hear that for the first time on Monday night also? I'm sure some of them were hearing it for the first time. It's, you know, there's obviously a lot of social communities online for parents and individuals with autism and things like lucavorin and the testing for the autoantibody has been floating around those circles for a long time now. So the challenge was finding somebody to prescribe it, right? And there have been doctors who have been prescribing lucavorin for a long time. For autism? For autism. Okay. Based on some of those studies, but they were few and far between, you know? So now because the politicians use their platform to broaden the message, I think there are going to be more people like myself who are like, okay, I'm game. Let's do this. Yeah. I would note that they, hey, look, we're talking about autistic children and what some of these families are going through. And that's good. That's a good thing that we're talking about it. Before you get out of here, doc, and because you have worked with a lot of families that are dealing with autism, what do you think is something that those of us who don't deal with it directly should know about autistic children? What should we know? What would you like to tell us? Yeah, I mean, I think as I've spent a lot more time with kids with autism over the last few years, since the hero clinic launched, one of the things that I've learned is just to think of their world, their experience in the world differently than you and I are, right? So certain things annoy me, right? So bright sunlight in my eyes as I'm driving my car, right? Bothers me. Um, but imagine if things that you and I take as normal annoyed you like that, right? And so just the way their brain interacts with the world is different. So they're experiencing things differently. And so they're having challenges in places that you and I don't have challenges. And so it just created a lot of empathy from, for me, both for the kids and their parents to just say, this is challenging. They're living in a world that was not designed around their way of interfacing with the world. And so I got to be patient, right? I got to try and figure out how I can help shape a world that they're more comfortable in. Uh, and it, you know, for me, it was just, it's just an empathy of just trying to put myself in their shoes and saying, this is really struggling for them. This is hard. I think that's a beautiful word that we probably need to understand, use, know, learn more often is empathy. I wish there was a way to know sometimes what a family is dealing with something like this so that I could be aware of it, but I don't know that that's ever going to happen, right? Well, it's at least, I feel like it's at least a little bit destigmatized. So to say, I have an autistic kid, that is one way to immediately change. And I love absolutely empathy. And I think the other piece of that, like when I was teaching, one of the best things is there are behaviors that autistic people exhibit, which we interpret as rude or disrespectful, and that that is not their intention at all. So again, to imply that empathy rap, to be like, no, like they are not going to hold eye contact with me and that's okay. And so I think that is a fantastic word, just umbrella. And the thing about having more and more kids today that have been diagnosed with autism also means the rest of the kids out there have grown up with that in ways that I didn't. I don't know about everybody else, but I don't know if I knew any autistic children as I was growing up around me. And so there's some just really beautiful examples that I've watched in like, as my kids have grown up of friends, there's like, well, yeah, he has autism and he's my friend. And it's just a matter of course. And that means he has special powers that they love, and that means he has special challenges that sometimes are jealous of when they do math. And so it's just, it's been really beautiful to watch this younger generation, which has grown up with a lot more prevalence of autism, just really embrace that on so many levels. It's not universal, of course, but it's really beautiful. I can't thank you enough for your perspective on this. I mean, just where you decide to set yourself when it comes to the medical community, but also the politics on this. And so when you put out your videos like that, it was, the video you put out this week was no different or the way you're talking today, no different than the way we typically hear from you, which blows my mind about the medical community and how they, what happens between federal regulations and, and, and the, the big, big hospital organizations and the monsters pharmaceutical companies and all the insurance companies. Now I'm getting pissed off. See? See what happened? It happened. And it's your fault. It's your fault all the way through. Thank you so much for being who you are, doing what you do, bigtreemedical.com. And I guess following you on Facebook would be a great idea too. Yeah. It's a great way to start. Dr. Adam Wheeler. You're like a genius, man. You're like a genius. Good to see you guys. If I could have just gone through 25 years of medical school, I could be doing exactly what he's doing today. I don't think we would have made it. No. I don't think we could have. I definitely would not have made it. All right. Well, we have a couple of things to wrap up before we call it a podcast this morning. And I think you know what that means, what we're going to be getting into. I do want to mention again that Truman's is going to have live music tomorrow night. What was the name of the band you said? High Mileage. It was High Mileage. I thought I caught that. Yeah. That's a pretty funny name. Not sure what the most operative portion of the word is, if it's mileage or high. Right. Yeah. I'm curious. I took it as like older, you know, your high mileage, high mileage car. That's how I took it. It could be that. It could be something very different. I'm not really sure. So that's what you got. But we got to move on to this now. Are you ready? You got to keep your eyes on the crap. You can't handle the crap. Looky here. There's a big difference between shit and Shinola. As my great grandfather always said, Matumba, keep your eye on the crap. Thank you, Matumba, as we keep our eye on the crap with Family Focus Eye Care. Dang it. I was going to reach out to Dr. Rich this morning. I wanted to know exactly what the exact procedure is at Retuva that he's been doing on my face and helped me out over here. And speaking of faces, Lisa Marie Presley was making the rounds. She's got a new book out. She's had some bad stuff. She should have gone to Retuva. And I'm watching her the other morning and Deb says she looks just like, and before she said it, I knew there was something and I was trying to like jump to it. She looks like the Joker. I'm not kidding. And I mean, I'm talking Jack Nicholson from the Michael Keaton version of Batman and the Joker and the whole thing. And it's, whew, anyway, Family Focus Eye Care. You guys do a terrific job. Doc, I've got to talk to you about reading glasses. When I'm working around jobs around the house, I can't see half the crap I'm looking at. I'm going to have to get the old man ones, the little half ones. I want to do it. Get the string under the back too so they don't fall off. That's fine. That's fine. I want to look, if I'm going to wear them, I want it to really be like exceptionally, I want to make me look older than I am. You want to accentuate that silver fox look. I want, yeah, I want to be, I want to be like over the hill dying fox look is the look that I'm going for. Family Focus Eye Care, famfocuseye.com, keeping your eye on the crap. There was a meeting this week in downtown Columbia talking about crime and homelessness. Thank you, Bonnie, who was on the show with us, what, a month and a half ago from Como Renewal Project, Bonnie Steinmetz, who posted about this. A meeting held this week concerning crime and all the crap and dealing with homeless people, among other things, but a lot with homeless people. CPD was there and Chief of Police, Jill Schlutte, the city manager, I think, was there, MU President Chancellor Moon Choi was there, the district, which is what they call downtown Columbia, the executive director of that organization, Nikki Davis was there, lifelong homeless advocate John Trapp was there, Burrell Health was there as well. A lot of people that know a lot about this and are involved at a level that I can't be were there to talk about it. This wasn't video, this wasn't like a city council meeting where we could watch the actual thing, right? Actually, I don't know if there's a video available or not. I saw a shot of it. I don't know if it was held at the Blue Note, it may have been. It is something that I think the public, I didn't know about it until after. I would love to know or watch. Could have attended. There's a lot of stuff that was said there and Bonnie put it together in a synopsis for it. I'm going to share what she had. CPD stating that they did a poor job policing in 2024 because they had to focus on urgent situations due to low staffing. Did you ever know that? I've heard a lot that we have fewer officers than we need. 11 shootings downtown in 18 months. No shooting downtown since June 8th due to an increased CPD staff, they're telling us. They reported 11 in the whole year? But that's just downtown, right? Yes. Okay, so that's a narrowed focus. That still seems like a low number to me. I don't know that it would be low or high, I have no idea. But they haven't had any since June 8th and they say because of an increase in the CPD staff on-site. Interesting. CPD police initiated calls. CPD initiated calls doubled in 2025 versus the year before. Doubled. Do you know the definition of CPD initiated? Does that mean an officer saw something? I think it is. Okay, start it. I believe that it is. Citizen calls decreased 58% this year. This is all because of better police coverage. Okay, so it's a real thing. We're keeping numbers on this. I believe you guys are telling me the truth on it and I'd like to know is the city management paying any attention to this at all? Police cannot detain a person if no law has been violated. That I understand. There can be lengthy delays in having someone get a mental health evaluation and Bonnie writes months. It was brought up in this meeting. What else was at the meeting? Nikki Davis, executive director of the district, said she wishes there were 24 more John Trapps out there. I don't. There's one that I'm familiar with that is working in this area. You know how many I would like to have in Columbia working in this area? I would guess zero. Zero. Okay. So Nikki, who is a wonderful person and has done a great job as executive director, she and I don't see this as the same way because John Trapps said it's false information that homeless are sent here from other cities. We've heard that to be completely false. We've heard that it is true that they're sending people here. So John, what the hell are you talking about? John likes helping homeless people. I don't know if that means he would like more to be here. He said if a person makes it here on their own, it shows they're motivated. Are you kidding me? No, it doesn't. Are you? Are you serious? They came here because they knew there were better handouts and more protection for them to do what they want to do, whether it is extortion or prostitution or drug smuggling or ingesting drugs or any of all the above or just nice free handouts. They're going to come here. And you're going to call that motivation. I guess you're right. I can't be the only one. I'm ignorant of Trapp and whatever. Does he have any kind of a financial benefit from the homelessness? I don't know what his job is. Are you asking me or are you asking John Trapp? Because I think you should ask. I'm asking you. I didn't know if you knew all this out there. You should ask John Trapp because I don't see his checkbook at home. But I'll tell you what. Do you know what his job or business is? Even if his soul feels enriched because of what he does, it doesn't mean that he's doing the right thing for all the rest of us. I don't need that to be out here. And it's one of my reasons for bringing it up as keep your eye on the crap. And here's the deal. If you believe we need more art in town or you believe we need less art in town and you make that the sole focus of what you're going to do, you may not have anything in my life in your best interest. All of a sudden, you're taking away pieces of art that I kind of liked was out there or you're putting stuff up. And I'm like, why is that blocking the scenery? Or you're taking money from me and you're using it to buy a new piece of sculpture. And I'm like, why are you buying that? Okay, John Trapp, it's very similar. But he has his ass bent sideways that this is what he wants in life. And somehow that becomes us. If it was me, what would I want more of in our community? In any community at large. It could be Columbia. It could be anything geographic like the state of Missouri. Or it could be those of us who drive a big black vehicle like I have over there. What is the community? Suddenly, I want to speak for all those with big black SUVs on what we need. And everybody else is like, shut up. And that's what I would like to say to the John Trapps of the world. Burrell Health spoke about mental health crises and services for substance abuse. The CPD has a goal of having a downtown unit again by the summer of 2026. Good. I'm sure we need it. And I want to finish with this. What separates Moon Choi, to me, from all the leaders in his positions, because he has two positions with the university, president and chancellor, is that Moon, while diplomatic, is outspoken to a certain extent. He's happy to step forward. He was happy to tell the Mizzou students for justice for Palestine that they could not be in the homecoming parade. And he had his reasons. And actually, I side with him not because I don't want them in the parade, but because they are not promoting the things that Mizzou, who puts on the parade, says this is what you have to do to be in our parade. And MSJP isn't doing that. The federal court sided with them. Moon Choi is outspoken. He said, according to Bonnie, things have worsened in Colombia in the last eight years. He has been here related to violence and homeless during those years. That's what he's seen. We need actions and we need solutions. He says that. He's concerned about Colombia, because he's concerned about Mizzou. Mizzou is here, and Colombia wouldn't exist like we do without the University of Missouri being here. He says we need actions. He said we have to get control of this, or the university and the town will languish. He wants the mayor of the city, manager of the chief of police, and himself, to travel to Lawrence, Kansas, where they have faced similar situations and problems, and they're working through that. He wants us to learn what they're doing to fix these issues. And my friends, that is what we're talking about as we finish up TTBS the Podcast this week. And that's not the first time we've heard about Lawrence, Kansas. We've heard others mention Lawrence. That is absolutely correct. And there we go. It's time for us to roll on out. I see that because we just went to a different screen. I guess I've got to say goodbye. Any parting shots at this time you'd like to take? No, that's good. Let's go. All right. You've got to do your outro. I just wanted to say, Moon, what a great name, Moon. Moon Choi. Hey, Moon. Let's have you on the podcast. Hey, I'd love that. That'd be awesome. Actually, I've reached out, and he has said yes, he'd like to be on the podcast, and we will get it scheduled the next month or two. My friends, live this day as if it were your last. I say to you, hookah hay.